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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 01:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That video was much better than I had expected, though some of it&#039;s reasoning was a bit off.

Whittle, like many supporters, acts as if the invasion was imminent: that the choice was either to try the bombs, or 1,000,000 Americans would die -- to say nothing of the Japanese -- immediately.  Much could have happened between August and November &#039;45 that might have made the Japanese surrender; specifically, dropping the fourth bomb or making additional ones.

That said, I side strongly with the apologists because 1) given the tenacity of the Japanese up to that point, one has to give Truman the benefit of the doubt and 2) &lt;a HREF=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Indianapolis_(CA-35) rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Americans were dying in combat operations at the time&lt;/a&gt; dropping one bomb offshore might not lead to an invasion of the home islands -- though it also might, in itself a reasonable justification -- it would almost certainly lead to more American&#039;s deaths elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That video was much better than I had expected, though some of it&#8217;s reasoning was a bit off.</p>
<p>Whittle, like many supporters, acts as if the invasion was imminent: that the choice was either to try the bombs, or 1,000,000 Americans would die &#8212; to say nothing of the Japanese &#8212; immediately.  Much could have happened between August and November &#8216;45 that might have made the Japanese surrender; specifically, dropping the fourth bomb or making additional ones.</p>
<p>That said, I side strongly with the apologists because 1) given the tenacity of the Japanese up to that point, one has to give Truman the benefit of the doubt and 2) <a HREF=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Indianapolis_(CA-35) rel="nofollow">Americans were dying in combat operations at the time</a> dropping one bomb offshore might not lead to an invasion of the home islands &#8212; though it also might, in itself a reasonable justification &#8212; it would almost certainly lead to more American&#8217;s deaths elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Apollo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Apollo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 21:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I yield to few in my respect for the Japanese, but a) you just can&#039;t look at the totality of their actions from 1933-45 without concluding, &quot;They had it coming;&quot; and  b) they were a foe of uncommon devotion to their cause, and no common level of pummeling would cause them to quit.

Of course, what people often forget in their hindsighted analyses is to look at the whole picture, not just the part of the picture that amuses them. The jaw-dropping level of defeat we inflicted on the Japanese played no small role in how pliant they were during the MacArthur occupation, and thus in creating the free, prosperous, and delightful modern Japan we all know and love. It think it&#039;s very difficult to argue that Japan would be better off today had we let them surrender conditionally, or had they not been so awestruck by our might. Only the atom bomb could have yielded the result we got.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I yield to few in my respect for the Japanese, but a) you just can&#8217;t look at the totality of their actions from 1933-45 without concluding, &#8220;They had it coming;&#8221; and  b) they were a foe of uncommon devotion to their cause, and no common level of pummeling would cause them to quit.</p>
<p>Of course, what people often forget in their hindsighted analyses is to look at the whole picture, not just the part of the picture that amuses them. The jaw-dropping level of defeat we inflicted on the Japanese played no small role in how pliant they were during the MacArthur occupation, and thus in creating the free, prosperous, and delightful modern Japan we all know and love. It think it&#8217;s very difficult to argue that Japan would be better off today had we let them surrender conditionally, or had they not been so awestruck by our might. Only the atom bomb could have yielded the result we got.</p>
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		<title>By: Independent George</title>
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		<dc:creator>Independent George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 20:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Following the Nagasaki bombing, there was an attempted, and narrowly averted, military coup when word filtered out that surrender was forthcoming. Even after a second city was vaporized, it still took no small measure of luck and circumstance for the war to end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Following the Nagasaki bombing, there was an attempted, and narrowly averted, military coup when word filtered out that surrender was forthcoming. Even after a second city was vaporized, it still took no small measure of luck and circumstance for the war to end.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 19:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It also makes it harder, nay impossible, to truly understand the thinking that went into those decisions. &lt;/i&gt;

If that&#039;s really the case, then the world&#039;s history departments had better pack up and go home. 

For the most part, I agree with you, actually.  A lot of the arguments that anti-Truman people make (it was only to impress the Russians, it was only because the Japanese weren&#039;t European) are hard to swallow.  

Even the more feasible arguments (that some form of peace short of unconditional surrender might have been reached without nuking or invasion, or that the second bomb was ultimately unnecessary) are based on an understanding of events in Japan that the Americans would not have had access to.

I don&#039;t think there&#039;s very much interesting to say about it, though, if all that we&#039;re interested in is condemning or vindicating people for modern political purposes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It also makes it harder, nay impossible, to truly understand the thinking that went into those decisions. </i></p>
<p>If that&#8217;s really the case, then the world&#8217;s history departments had better pack up and go home. </p>
<p>For the most part, I agree with you, actually.  A lot of the arguments that anti-Truman people make (it was only to impress the Russians, it was only because the Japanese weren&#8217;t European) are hard to swallow.  </p>
<p>Even the more feasible arguments (that some form of peace short of unconditional surrender might have been reached without nuking or invasion, or that the second bomb was ultimately unnecessary) are based on an understanding of events in Japan that the Americans would not have had access to.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s very much interesting to say about it, though, if all that we&#8217;re interested in is condemning or vindicating people for modern political purposes.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 18:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It also makes it harder, nay impossible, to truly understand the thinking that went into those decisions. How do you way the killing of 100,000 Japanese vs the potential deaths of 1,000,000? These are the real decision Truman had to struggle with. And as the video Apollo linked points out - the preponderance of the evidence suggests the Japanese would have fought to the last man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It also makes it harder, nay impossible, to truly understand the thinking that went into those decisions. How do you way the killing of 100,000 Japanese vs the potential deaths of 1,000,000? These are the real decision Truman had to struggle with. And as the video Apollo linked points out &#8211; the preponderance of the evidence suggests the Japanese would have fought to the last man.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 18:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a lot to be said for hindsight and emotional distance; it makes it easier to get beyond the &quot;everything America did in WWII was right&quot;/&quot;Truman was a monster&quot; nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a lot to be said for hindsight and emotional distance; it makes it easier to get beyond the &#8220;everything America did in WWII was right&#8221;/&#8221;Truman was a monster&#8221; nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 18:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its funny how said debate becomes more &quot;serious&quot; the further we are removed from the actual events.

20/20 hindsight and all that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its funny how said debate becomes more &#8220;serious&#8221; the further we are removed from the actual events.</p>
<p>20/20 hindsight and all that.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 17:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a serious debate to be had over the bombings, but it has to include the understanding that Truman and others were facing a difficult decision with uncertain information.  Even if one comes to the conclusion that dropping the bomb was the wrong decision, that doesn&#039;t in itself condemn Truman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a serious debate to be had over the bombings, but it has to include the understanding that Truman and others were facing a difficult decision with uncertain information.  Even if one comes to the conclusion that dropping the bomb was the wrong decision, that doesn&#8217;t in itself condemn Truman.</p>
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		<title>By: biggles</title>
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		<dc:creator>biggles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 15:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That bit about &quot;we should have  dropped an A bomb off shore to demonstrate the power of the new weapon to the Japanese.

Hmmmm  - we dropped one on a Japanese city and still the Japanese refused to surrender - until we dropped the second one.
Stewart is a loathsome, no nothing, smart alec - which means he can probably get elected as a senator in Minnesota.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That bit about &#8220;we should have  dropped an A bomb off shore to demonstrate the power of the new weapon to the Japanese.</p>
<p>Hmmmm  &#8211; we dropped one on a Japanese city and still the Japanese refused to surrender &#8211; until we dropped the second one.<br />
Stewart is a loathsome, no nothing, smart alec &#8211; which means he can probably get elected as a senator in Minnesota&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 15:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That. Was. Awesome.

One of my biggest pet peeves is WW2 revisionism, and especially Hiroshima/Nagasaki revisionism. Its so easy to pass judgment on those men from our comfortable and easy lives. A man like Stewart, who believes courage is making funny faces to belittle people more important than himself, doesn&#039;t know the first thing about hard decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That. Was. Awesome.</p>
<p>One of my biggest pet peeves is WW2 revisionism, and especially Hiroshima/Nagasaki revisionism. Its so easy to pass judgment on those men from our comfortable and easy lives. A man like Stewart, who believes courage is making funny faces to belittle people more important than himself, doesn&#8217;t know the first thing about hard decisions.</p>
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