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	<title>Comments on: Growing in Office</title>
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		<title>By: FormerSwingVoter</title>
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		<dc:creator>FormerSwingVoter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 02:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I have some sympathy with the argument that Bush abused signing statements on occasion, it certainly looks like Obama&#039;s doing the exact same thing here. &quot;Hey, just as a heads-up, I&#039;m gonna ignore the part of this law that I don&#039;t like.&quot;

Amazing how quickly reformers change their mind once they realize how hard it is to actually get things done, huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I have some sympathy with the argument that Bush abused signing statements on occasion, it certainly looks like Obama&#8217;s doing the exact same thing here. &#8220;Hey, just as a heads-up, I&#8217;m gonna ignore the part of this law that I don&#8217;t like.&#8221;</p>
<p>Amazing how quickly reformers change their mind once they realize how hard it is to actually get things done, huh?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The hypocrisy is rather amusing on this.

From previous discussions with Apollo, I&#039;m persuaded that there are legitimate uses for signing statements.  Specifically -- and correct me if I&#039;ve got this wrong, Apollo -- they create an official paper trail of the president&#039;s own understanding of bills.  If the legislation ever comes before the courts, the judges will have the signing statement to rely on in addition to the Congressional record to discern original intent.  This is a good thing.

However, my understanding President Bush &lt;i&gt;also&lt;/i&gt; used signing statements as a kind of &lt;a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_for_Fiscal_Year_2008 rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;line-item veto&lt;/a&gt;, which was both foolish and constitutionally suspect.  Foolish in that no future president is bound by those statements (see &lt;a href=http://federalistpaupers.com/index.php/2009/03/11/no-change-no-hope-here/ rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Obama, Barack&lt;/a&gt;) and constitutionally unsound because we don&#039;t have a line item veto (though perhaps we should).  That Bush used his regular veto so rarely: &lt;a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_vetoes rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;only 12 times during his administration&lt;/a&gt;.  Indeed (adjusted for time in office), he used vetoes only 19% as often as Carter, 15% as often as Regan, 13% as often as his father, 33% as often as Clinton.  Admittedly, he had a friendly congress during the first six years of his administration, but I doubt anyone would argue Bush shouldn&#039;t have vetoed more often.  But conservatives, of all people, should like it when presidents veto and be skeptical when they let things slide through with asterisks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The hypocrisy is rather amusing on this.</p>
<p>From previous discussions with Apollo, I&#8217;m persuaded that there are legitimate uses for signing statements.  Specifically &#8212; and correct me if I&#8217;ve got this wrong, Apollo &#8212; they create an official paper trail of the president&#8217;s own understanding of bills.  If the legislation ever comes before the courts, the judges will have the signing statement to rely on in addition to the Congressional record to discern original intent.  This is a good thing.</p>
<p>However, my understanding President Bush <i>also</i> used signing statements as a kind of <a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_for_Fiscal_Year_2008 rel="nofollow">line-item veto</a>, which was both foolish and constitutionally suspect.  Foolish in that no future president is bound by those statements (see <a href=http://federalistpaupers.com/index.php/2009/03/11/no-change-no-hope-here/ rel="nofollow">Obama, Barack</a>) and constitutionally unsound because we don&#8217;t have a line item veto (though perhaps we should).  That Bush used his regular veto so rarely: <a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_vetoes rel="nofollow">only 12 times during his administration</a>.  Indeed (adjusted for time in office), he used vetoes only 19% as often as Carter, 15% as often as Regan, 13% as often as his father, 33% as often as Clinton.  Admittedly, he had a friendly congress during the first six years of his administration, but I doubt anyone would argue Bush shouldn&#8217;t have vetoed more often.  But conservatives, of all people, should like it when presidents veto and be skeptical when they let things slide through with asterisks.</p>
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